TurkeyOnAStick 2025-05-11 07:09:29

Like I said in the original lock message, the thread’s intent is to not post explicit images. I thought your art with the sweet-potato sized manhood pushed the limit and felt more like a thread-bump.

The AI stuff was because I said earlier in the thread we don’t need to keep making anti-AI soapbox posts.

I don’t give deletion messages anymore because people will always feel aggrieved regardless of what you do. In the above newspost, you’ve falsely made a link to AI and prudishness.

I did find the rinse-repeat posting of the above posts four times excessive.

alsoknownas1 2025-05-11 07:22:15

@TurkeyOnAStick The topic of the thread was AI! All other posts in the thread you didn't delete were about AI! What in the world are you even talking about? You seem insane.

[edit: The topic of the thread was "AI Scrapping and How to Protect Yourself". My post was about AI scraping. Here it is in its entirety:

"If you go to a popular AI site, that I won't name, and search for NG you'll find at least half a dozen LoRas. Some have obviously been trained on material only available with a login. I'm not really sure what more NG can do, and I'm pretty sure that we're at the point of diminishing returns, but it's something to be aware of. I personally file it under the "sucks but it is what it is" category."]

TurkeyOnAStick 2025-05-11 07:29:49

@alsoknownas1
The topic was about protecting art from AI scraping, and all other posts were about signatures, anti-scraping filters, etc.

Your post was about AI-generated NG characters, which is a topic shift into the done-to-death AI conversation topics.

alsoknownas1 2025-05-11 07:34:55

@TurkeyOnAStick Jesus Christ. How do you think the data was obtained!? SCRAPING! That anti-scraping efforts have already failed seems pretty on topic. An earlier version of that post read:

" which is that NG is scraped pretty regularly and that there are a number of LoRa's floating around"

You deleted the version of the post that explicitly mentioned the scraping, now you want to claim that not being about scraping is why it was deleted. Jesus H man.

Simoes1000 2025-05-11 07:59:43

Damn

Kiraichu 2025-05-11 08:15:42

Oh ok, so this is why my latest batch of art also got removed too huh.

kmau 2025-05-11 08:27:39

I shouldn't pass judgement on the rest of this stuff because I wasn't involved, but I can understand the decision to remove your image from the artistic nudity thread.
With artistic nudity, most would agree that the term refers to nude portrayals that weren't drawn for the purpose of titillation - to me, the subject is clearly drawn in such a way. The decision to remove the image likely didn't just come down to the sweet potato, but also to presentation.

(I feel like that thread was bound to fail anyways because of the lack of users who draw actual artistic nudity.)

Kiraichu 2025-05-11 08:33:08

@KittyhawkMontrose The post itself I’m not worried about per se. The purpose behind the deletion is my worry because it wasn’t justified in any way!

larrynachos 2025-05-11 08:53:22

What's the point of thread ratings if you get taken down anyways?

Seems like that mod just likes to wield their power early and often.

Feels a little prejudicial calling people anti-hornies just cause they don't like big bazongas in their feed 24/7. My biggest complaint in the art portal is the inability to filter out horny art, even after disabling M and A (and sometimes even T) categories. I'm not opposed to people drawing saucy things (though there I have concerns about the psychology of horny people on the internet thirsting over drawings, especially young people), but I should have the option to NOT see it if I don't want to.

But yeah, this is a sloppy situation and kinda makes it feel like the newgrounds art forum isn't "Everything by Everyone"

Kiraichu 2025-05-11 09:04:43

@kmau Some art could definitely pass off as being drawn for titillation, yes. But I believe that there can be art drawn for that purpose while also remaining tasteful if you understand what I mean. The artist I posted in the thread before (Ziopolyteur) has a lot of art and pinups of nude girls while the direction behind them is not being entirely lewd. Some are less tame than others, that’s a given, and the description plays a role for me too which is why on one of them I was a bit cautious, but I think the whole direction was not to present them in a completely lewd manner, so I posted them in that specific thread.

At least I hope this made sense. I’m sorry if it didn’t.

alsoknownas1 2025-05-11 09:05:08

@larrynachos Yeah. There's this crazy disconnect between the mods and the rest of the staff. Fish works forever to add thread ratings and per image ratings on multi-image posts just for mods to act like those features don't even exist. I wouldn't be so bitter about it if there weren't a backlog of critical bugs (scouting issues anyone?) or constant complaints about lack of funds and overwork.

Kidincu 2025-05-11 09:07:07

Why the fuck is the mod even against the NSFW?

Doesn't he know the Newgrounds philosophy?

AlfaFranek 2025-05-11 09:14:40

@TurkeyOnAStick in the rules of the art forum it is said that criticism should be constructive and your reasoning for deleting those posts seems vague, not really applying to that rule.

kmau 2025-05-11 09:16:35

@KittyhawkMontrose
I'm not judging at all, that was just my personal, subjective assessment that has nothing to do with Turkey. However, I acknowledge that I've given this assessment before re-reading the first post of that specific thread, so I never should've stepped into this discussion in the first place.

I suppose the takeaway is that nobody sees exactly eye-to-eye on what qualifies as artistic nudity.

PLJerry 2025-05-11 09:28:17

Bruh moment.

TheBestBroster 2025-05-11 09:29:38

Ahh sorry man seems like a load of shit. I don't see why you cant just post shit on a free forum that is A rated.

Hopefully you can get that all sorted out soon

kmau 2025-05-11 09:34:45

@KittyhawkMontrose
I can definitely see that there's a bit of an overreach when it comes to nipping discussions in the bud, to put it mildly. It is natural for discussions to repeat themselves in forums.

DioShiba 2025-05-11 10:22:52

To be honest regarding the first thread referenced relating to how porn artists deal with anti-hornies.... Honestly re-reading that thread I kind of understood where Turkey may have felt that thread turned into a shitshow.

Actually, I'm gonna go on a limb and name drop some users to say that ZombieGhost getting involved bringing up the political side of it by talking about "woke" then backing out of it after the fact was the first part of it where the thread was bound to de-rail. Primarily he was bringing up politics unprompted then tried to back out from the discussion saying he didn't want to talk about politics in a porn thread upon being called out for it.

Then you had Template88 fixating on the whole argument on how, in his own words: "While an artist painstakingly painting a preteen girl in a suggestive pose getting fondled on a train is not directly advocating pedophilia and rape outright, he is reinforcing it by manifesting its imagery into the world which is an act that has moral repercussions, even if the goal of doing so was in a media that is warning of the dangers of pedophilia, the actual intention of the artist is lost when viewed by somebody else."

That comment was going to be perceived negatively by NSFW artists regardless because of the implications that it carried.

Personally, I don't think engaging with either of the said users was going to help anything because you have the former being a man-child who is prone to grudge blocking users while sitting on a high horse preaching about what it means to be an artist while being unable to accept criticism offered to him. While the latter locked in on a specific nuance for the wrong reasons and further escalating drama that could have been avoided had he not done that, and that's what led people to getting on his case in that regard because you had people thinking he was accusing all NSFW artists being pedos which isn't the case.

While I think in Template's case he really didn't do a good job at presenting his argument clearly, Zombie on the other hand, in my honest opinion shouldn't even be taken seriously since a lot of what he posts is usually just talking out of his ass. Everyone who has interacted with him in the past knows this.

Both of those users were being problematic in regards to that thread in particular so I can see where that thread was going to evolve into drama that was only going to cause the discussion to go into circles while devolving from any meaningful mature discussion into the exact kind of shit show being reinforced.

Maybe I'm somewhat wrong in that assessment where I'm missing something but... I'm hoping that at the very least this adds some context to where perhaps that thread went south and observing how that thread went. As for the Nude Studies+ and Ai Scrapping threads I can't exactly speak to not having been closely involved with those threads.

DioShiba 2025-05-11 10:38:29

@KittyhawkMontrose yeeeeeaaaaaa as much as I understand the why there but that was fighting fire with fire.

I get the frustration though.

Arzonaut 2025-05-11 11:04:20

Yeah, I'm not too active on the forums for this reason. I just think this behavior is facilitated between mods. I've been lucky it seems, but several of my mutuals get their NSFW art submissions removed all the time for vague reasons or no reason at all (@kazukoto) and while that's not a forum issue necessarily, it just adds to the issue mods have with NSFW art sometime.